[identity profile] clauderainsrm.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] therealljidol
Everyone on Livejournal is good. It’s doesn’t matter if you joined back when you had to get an invite from someone to sign up or signed up on a whim last week to post your stuff on that fandom community your friend was telling you about.

You are good people.

If you come over from Dreamwidth – well, chances are you used to be on Livejournal and are over there for legitimate personal reasons. So you are still pretty good.

A blogger using Open Access – you’re decent. But really, shouldn’t you have a Livejournal?

Are you coming in from Facebook or Twitter??? Why? You can’t be up to any good, why would someone from those sites actually come over to see anything on Livejournal, unless it was for nefarious purposes?

I’ll admit, I’ve had moments like that (above). Most people have. I think it comes from the inferiority complex LJ (as a culture and community) has developed toward other social media. Or perhaps the walls that people put up in their own life, keeping their LJ apart from all other social media. Walls that the rest of the world seems determined to eliminate regardless of what people think about it.

It’s been a blip in the past. But as time goes on, the presence is getting larger. Of the top 5, only ONE contestant didn’t end up benefiting from voters coming in from facebook. (and yes, they are still in the competition)

Other sites are still a blip. (There were 2 votes that came from Twitter and 1 Open Access vote as opposed to the 35 from facebook for our largest influx of any week in the history of Idol)

There are some ways to look at this – Oh, no, this is the end! Let’s hand the winner icon to the one person who didn’t use those/have people use them on their behalf! Or, these are people coming to Livejournal who might never have known about the site before, or who used to be here and are being seduced back! They are coming to support good writing – and isn’t that awesome! We should welcome these people with open arms.

If we are going to the latter though, there is a rule. It’s not a request. It’s a rule. It’s always been a rule, and it always will be a rule. Why? Because it makes sense. If you aren’t following this, you need to be…

Tell People to Read.

If you are just encouraging people to vote blindly, you aren’t doing anyone any favors. I’d like to assume that people know that they should be reading what they are actually voting for, and based on the names I’m seeing, I’m sure that they are. But there is always the chance of that not happening… after all, Idol has the prettiest clicky boxes on the Internet. Nowhere else really compares to how compelling they are, and how fun it is to watch them for hours on end. Let’s face it – isn’t “meta” just clicky box porn?

There is some great writing happening here in Idol – and being able to reach people out there in the Great Social Media Beyond and bringing them back to the fold, and exposing them to what our writers are offering, that’s amazing stuff! Thank you to anyone who is doing it. But make sure to include a line or three about checking out the entries. Not just the one, but all of them – especially since there are three people left, that’s really not going to be difficult! Lead them to the water, and we get our next generation of Idol writers for Season 9! People who experience what is going on here *want* to be a part of it. People who just see it as a clicky box… many of them don’t.

As I said, based on *who* is coming to vote, I don’t think the “not reading” is a real problem. But there is a perception problem involved and that has a habit of festering. So, let’s be proactive about that – OK?

We have three contestants, who are adding their entries as we speak: http://therealljidol.livejournal.com/696365.html Let’s make these last few moments together awesome!!!

Date: 2013-09-23 07:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] porn-this-way.livejournal.com
It's a competition, of course people are going to compete! It seems rather pointless otherwise.  Exhibit A was the first of its kind, so it made sense that people were sort of sitting back to test the waters. Exhibit B, though? Game the fuck on, this shit's Sparta! Unless you set up a situation where there's nothing to lose, and everyone can just get back in the game the next week, or there's a big fluffy group hug instead of eliminations each week, people are going to be fighting tooth and nail to hang on, and that increases exponentially the more time they invest in the game and, as you mentioned above, the stiffer the competition is. Weeks 1 and 2 - okay, people have only invested a week or so of their time so far, the quality of writing is all over the map, a bunch of people are bound to self-elim by missing a deadline anyway, so let's just chill. But toward the second half of the season, and then the final stretch of the game? People have invested months of their time and tons of themselves, plus a bunch of adrenaline from staring down the barrel of a deadline and frantically pounding F5, and the safety net of cannon fodder's mostly gone. (Sorry, I'm not going to insult anyone's intelligence and pretend everyone who walks into Idol is some literary genius who's a threat for the crown - sure, there are some dark horses and surprise contenders, but there's cannon fodder every round, regardless of whether it's nice to say so out loud.) So by a certain point in the game, the human shields are dead on the battlefield, you've poured your heart and soul into the competition for months on end (which you wouldn't have bothered to do if you weren't here to seriously compete!), everyone left is a legit threat, you know good and well that *you're* in *their* was as much as they're in yours, and resting comfortably on your laurels and sipping a cup of tea while chatting about the weather ain't exactly an option anymore! Exhibit B might have been a mini-season, but a half stick of dynamite is still dynamite!

Date: 2013-09-23 07:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] porn-this-way.livejournal.com
Well I *do* try! :p

Srsly bro, you're all cryptic Yoda with the mysterious drama allusions as of late. Sense the Dark Side, do you?

Date: 2013-09-23 09:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kathrynrose.livejournal.com
There are days when the internet is a giant class of pre-teens and someone just handed them all something to throw.

It could be worse. They could be monkeys. And you know what monkeys throw.

Date: 2013-09-23 10:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] porn-this-way.livejournal.com
Yes, but I also don't arm my kids with projectiles, tell them to fight to the death, and then wonder why they're throwing things! "There's only one passing grade available, and you all have to compete for it" wouldn't leave me much room to get mad at them for being too competitive, ya know? That was too harsh. I'm sorry. I also may have misinterpreted the statement - throwing things at each other (ie, competition) or at *you*? (different matter entirely.)

Sure, it's frustrating when I've got X planned for class and the kids are hellbent on derailing and doing Y instead, but I think I'm just confused here because I have no idea what the issue even is. Did you intend for Exhibit B to not be competitive and now it is? Are people wanking it up behind the scenes and *that's* the frustrating part? Some combo thereof? Something else entirely? I'm legit not trying to wise off or fuck with you here, but this is like trying to solve some strange riddle, and though I can make numerous educated guesses, they're just that - guesses.
Edited Date: 2013-09-23 11:14 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-09-23 11:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kathrynrose.livejournal.com
Wait.

We're NOT supposed to throw things at Gary?

Date: 2013-09-24 12:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kathrynrose.livejournal.com
Wait. Did you guys hear something?

I thought I... nevermind.

Date: 2013-09-24 12:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kathrynrose.livejournal.com
Project Runway didn't start with eighty people. The PR people didn't have to pair themselves up like 5th grade gym class. The PR people LIVED TOGETHER and worked together all day. We had people in different hemispheres, let alone time zones.

And you can't make people be friends. People become friends organically, and it happens a lot easier if they're not under crazy pressure. (and if they're not wondering if that person is really who they say they are)

And, FWIW, I think friend-making did happen. Certainly friendship-strengthening did. Maybe it wasn't the friendships you were looking for, or maybe it wasn't as obvious as you expected.


Edited Date: 2013-09-24 12:19 am (UTC)

Date: 2013-09-24 12:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kathrynrose.livejournal.com
AH HAH!

I think you're on to something there.

That's what happens when you go and get a "real life" and get "happy" and stuff.

Date: 2013-09-24 12:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kathrynrose.livejournal.com
It does increase the comment count.

Date: 2013-09-24 01:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] porn-this-way.livejournal.com
The best laid plans of mousetraps and men...

Or perhaps simply, "in Soviet Russia, Idol twists you."

The thing with the poll...okay, I'd be lying if I said it was a bummer from my POV, because it played out to be a demon of mercy (damn them for their methods, but please forgive me for being grateful for the results), but I can definitely see how some shit like that would be a real cockroach in your Happy Meal.

The intersection stuff....IDK if it's entirely accurate (or at all accurate, really) to say that nobody made new friends this season, within *or* outside of the intersections. Intersections are genuinely stressful for a lot of people, in that they literally take a huge chomp out of your life - fuck with travel plans, create a real damn mess with work schedules if both partners work (ESPECIALLY if they work different shifts or are in different timezones) and just all sorts of other stuff. So yeah, people grumbled, and a lot of times were thrown together when both of them were already stressed to fuck because "UGH not another goddamn intersection, I've got ____ to do!" and cue tense situation. So, honestly? It makes sense that people would want to team up with people they already knew, because "X is my friend, and they already know me, and I know we can possibly lock horns and still come out of it as friends, and I know we work just fine with each others quirks." It's not about being clique-ish or exclusive at all, it's about getting through to the next round with your sanity intact (or as intact as it can ever possibly be around here). And as it's already been said - you can't force friendships! Force cooperation and collaboration, perhaps, sure. But friendships? Those are going to happen on their own terms, and assigned seating at Idol lunch time ain't gonna change that. And I DO think they happened this season. I think they happened plenty, or at least plenty of seeds were sown.

Date: 2013-09-24 02:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anyonesghost.livejournal.com
Just playing the devil's advocate for a second (since I don't disagree with you): I (mostly) knew no one coming in. (And there are a few people here who still don't know they know me.) So, as a relative "outsider" to the process, I sort of found myself on the outskirts of the lunch room pretty quickly.

Now, that worked out for me. While 3 of 4 of my intersection partners were separated from me by a minimum of 6 hours (12 in one case), I had a blast with each of them, and I think we produced some solid material. But while I know I've worked hard (at least, as much as I can) to get to know folks, there's still that nagging sensation that I'm trying to insert myself into a preexisting community / group of friends.

Which I'm not gonna get butt-hurt about; I knew this going in. I remember Season 3, and I chose to be an Alt, and I know my time limits, and I know it's a competition. But it's possible I'm more self-aware than others.

In conclusion: man, I could go for some tacos.

Date: 2013-09-24 03:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kathrynrose.livejournal.com
It's been said that the GR didn't have the "community" feel this time as much as it has in the past. And I think HSV is right that a big part of that is the percentage of alts we had this time.

I know that I have personally had issues with wondering who people *really* were, and that has to do with bad experiences I've had in the past, which I won't go into. We all have baggage.

I knew you had a main LJ, but I didn't know you had been in Idol before under another name. But certainly you can't expect people to be as open to you as if they knew you if they don't KNOW they know you. (Extra points to anyone who can follow that sentence.)

After leaving season 5 in a brouhaha, I came back in season 8 under an alt, but I couldn't stand it after a few weeks. I dropped the alt and entered the competition during SCI as myself (which was bad tactically, because I was out soon after because people didn't know who I was because they had gotten to know me under the alt.)

Rambly not-making-point summary.
1. There were fewer people than a normal season. Fewer relationships and less GR chatter is expected.
2. There were more alts than usual, in a smaller pool. A bunch of people were either hiding or doubling their presence, which meant there were fewer people than we even thought there were.
3. People who are alting aren't as open as they would be normally because they're alting.
4. If people know you, but don't know you by this name, then they don't know you. You're starting from zero, just like Exhibit B counts for zero weeks in Idol.

The last couple of weeks I've been thinking you were someone I'd like to get to know better, of course now I wonder if I already know you, which makes it weird again.

Date: 2013-09-24 03:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anyonesghost.livejournal.com
Oh, I had no expectation of being "known." I used the "alt" purely as a way to divorce myself from expectations, from friends lists ... the usual sort of thing. I really wanted to see what would happen if I went into a group 'cold' and got to know people. So I didn't have any preconceived notion that I'd wander in and people would bow down and worship me. :-) Just that I've been on LJ for 11 years now, and it's been a while since I've been "new" and all that entails, y'know?

I should clarify that I'm not a previous competitor. Long-time watcher, first-time participant. And I vacated around Season 5, I think. So I'll put forward that I don't think we've met previously -- and that I'm glad we did meet this time.

I'll send you a PM with my "other" LJ userid, just for your own peace of mind. I don't plan on making some "announcement" until the game is over for me.

Date: 2013-09-24 05:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lrig-rorrim.livejournal.com
For what it's worth - the intersections were amazingly hard for me, mostly due to timing and scheduling issues; but yes, I absolutely did make great friends through them, AND strengthened existing friendships. I hadn't interacted with kathrynrose at all outside the GR and comments on entries - she is now what I consider a dear friend. I knew halfshellvenus a little tiny bit better, but we'd only exchanged a couple of messages outside of Idol. I feel like we bonded through trial by fire, and I'm delighted to have her as a regular beta reader and I definitely call her a friend now rather than an acquaintance. I had no idea who thegrimms were when I agreed to work with them - and I was thrilled to get to know both of them better. I really had no lousy intersection experiences, and I got to the point where I was trying to reach out to people and arrange partnerships in advance if I could (though perhaps that made things feel less welcoming? After being hit with a pie in the face once or twice one starts to think defensively).

Anyway. I still don't think of writing as a team sport, but I do like bouncing around ideas and seeing the magic that happens from new mixes.

Date: 2013-09-24 12:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kathrynrose.livejournal.com
she is now what I consider a dear friend.

::hug::

Anyway. I still don't think of writing as a team sport,

It definitely isn't.

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