Green Room - Week 18 - Day 4
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Everyone on Livejournal is good. It’s doesn’t matter if you joined back when you had to get an invite from someone to sign up or signed up on a whim last week to post your stuff on that fandom community your friend was telling you about.
You are good people.
If you come over from Dreamwidth – well, chances are you used to be on Livejournal and are over there for legitimate personal reasons. So you are still pretty good.
A blogger using Open Access – you’re decent. But really, shouldn’t you have a Livejournal?
Are you coming in from Facebook or Twitter??? Why? You can’t be up to any good, why would someone from those sites actually come over to see anything on Livejournal, unless it was for nefarious purposes?
I’ll admit, I’ve had moments like that (above). Most people have. I think it comes from the inferiority complex LJ (as a culture and community) has developed toward other social media. Or perhaps the walls that people put up in their own life, keeping their LJ apart from all other social media. Walls that the rest of the world seems determined to eliminate regardless of what people think about it.
It’s been a blip in the past. But as time goes on, the presence is getting larger. Of the top 5, only ONE contestant didn’t end up benefiting from voters coming in from facebook. (and yes, they are still in the competition)
Other sites are still a blip. (There were 2 votes that came from Twitter and 1 Open Access vote as opposed to the 35 from facebook for our largest influx of any week in the history of Idol)
There are some ways to look at this – Oh, no, this is the end! Let’s hand the winner icon to the one person who didn’t use those/have people use them on their behalf! Or, these are people coming to Livejournal who might never have known about the site before, or who used to be here and are being seduced back! They are coming to support good writing – and isn’t that awesome! We should welcome these people with open arms.
If we are going to the latter though, there is a rule. It’s not a request. It’s a rule. It’s always been a rule, and it always will be a rule. Why? Because it makes sense. If you aren’t following this, you need to be…
Tell People to Read.
If you are just encouraging people to vote blindly, you aren’t doing anyone any favors. I’d like to assume that people know that they should be reading what they are actually voting for, and based on the names I’m seeing, I’m sure that they are. But there is always the chance of that not happening… after all, Idol has the prettiest clicky boxes on the Internet. Nowhere else really compares to how compelling they are, and how fun it is to watch them for hours on end. Let’s face it – isn’t “meta” just clicky box porn?
There is some great writing happening here in Idol – and being able to reach people out there in the Great Social Media Beyond and bringing them back to the fold, and exposing them to what our writers are offering, that’s amazing stuff! Thank you to anyone who is doing it. But make sure to include a line or three about checking out the entries. Not just the one, but all of them – especially since there are three people left, that’s really not going to be difficult! Lead them to the water, and we get our next generation of Idol writers for Season 9! People who experience what is going on here *want* to be a part of it. People who just see it as a clicky box… many of them don’t.
As I said, based on *who* is coming to vote, I don’t think the “not reading” is a real problem. But there is a perception problem involved and that has a habit of festering. So, let’s be proactive about that – OK?
We have three contestants, who are adding their entries as we speak: http://therealljidol.livejournal.com/696365.html Let’s make these last few moments together awesome!!!
You are good people.
If you come over from Dreamwidth – well, chances are you used to be on Livejournal and are over there for legitimate personal reasons. So you are still pretty good.
A blogger using Open Access – you’re decent. But really, shouldn’t you have a Livejournal?
Are you coming in from Facebook or Twitter??? Why? You can’t be up to any good, why would someone from those sites actually come over to see anything on Livejournal, unless it was for nefarious purposes?
I’ll admit, I’ve had moments like that (above). Most people have. I think it comes from the inferiority complex LJ (as a culture and community) has developed toward other social media. Or perhaps the walls that people put up in their own life, keeping their LJ apart from all other social media. Walls that the rest of the world seems determined to eliminate regardless of what people think about it.
It’s been a blip in the past. But as time goes on, the presence is getting larger. Of the top 5, only ONE contestant didn’t end up benefiting from voters coming in from facebook. (and yes, they are still in the competition)
Other sites are still a blip. (There were 2 votes that came from Twitter and 1 Open Access vote as opposed to the 35 from facebook for our largest influx of any week in the history of Idol)
There are some ways to look at this – Oh, no, this is the end! Let’s hand the winner icon to the one person who didn’t use those/have people use them on their behalf! Or, these are people coming to Livejournal who might never have known about the site before, or who used to be here and are being seduced back! They are coming to support good writing – and isn’t that awesome! We should welcome these people with open arms.
If we are going to the latter though, there is a rule. It’s not a request. It’s a rule. It’s always been a rule, and it always will be a rule. Why? Because it makes sense. If you aren’t following this, you need to be…
Tell People to Read.
If you are just encouraging people to vote blindly, you aren’t doing anyone any favors. I’d like to assume that people know that they should be reading what they are actually voting for, and based on the names I’m seeing, I’m sure that they are. But there is always the chance of that not happening… after all, Idol has the prettiest clicky boxes on the Internet. Nowhere else really compares to how compelling they are, and how fun it is to watch them for hours on end. Let’s face it – isn’t “meta” just clicky box porn?
There is some great writing happening here in Idol – and being able to reach people out there in the Great Social Media Beyond and bringing them back to the fold, and exposing them to what our writers are offering, that’s amazing stuff! Thank you to anyone who is doing it. But make sure to include a line or three about checking out the entries. Not just the one, but all of them – especially since there are three people left, that’s really not going to be difficult! Lead them to the water, and we get our next generation of Idol writers for Season 9! People who experience what is going on here *want* to be a part of it. People who just see it as a clicky box… many of them don’t.
As I said, based on *who* is coming to vote, I don’t think the “not reading” is a real problem. But there is a perception problem involved and that has a habit of festering. So, let’s be proactive about that – OK?
We have three contestants, who are adding their entries as we speak: http://therealljidol.livejournal.com/696365.html Let’s make these last few moments together awesome!!!
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Date: 2013-09-23 04:07 pm (UTC)Well, dang; what have I been doing all this time? It sure felt real!
Oh, man: does this mean that, if I were to enter Season 9 (hypothetically speaking), I'd enter with 0 weeks to my name?
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Date: 2013-09-23 05:00 pm (UTC)On the other hand, since it doesn't count, if you win Exhibit B you can still compete in Season 9.
(At least I think so, maybe Gary will come in and say otherwise.)
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Date: 2013-09-23 05:05 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-09-23 05:29 pm (UTC)Which also ties into why weeks don't "count" toward totals.
Ultimately, the Exhibits were gathering together friends to have a game for a good cause. A celebration.
I think Exhibit A did it just about perfectly.
Exhibit B? I think people started "playing Idol" and forgot what we were doing.
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Date: 2013-09-23 06:15 pm (UTC)I'm sorry if asking this makes me part of the problem or summat, but... bzuh?
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Date: 2013-09-23 06:20 pm (UTC)Which is just how you like it!!! :)
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Date: 2013-09-23 08:00 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-09-23 06:24 pm (UTC)Actually, the vibe between the first half of B and the second is pretty big as well.
There seemed to be a more of "We're in this together to have fun" to A that became a "My select group is in this together, and we're having fun" in B... and then "Screw you guys, screw fun, I'm winning!"
I'm not saying it's right or wrong. Just not the droids I expected to be looking for when B started. *shrugs* It is what it is.
That said, there is some amazing writing going on. So maybe that seriousness was caused by the bar raising so high, so quickly.
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Date: 2013-09-23 07:15 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2013-09-23 07:35 pm (UTC)Srsly bro, you're all cryptic Yoda with the mysterious drama allusions as of late. Sense the Dark Side, do you?
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Date: 2013-09-23 07:53 pm (UTC)There are days when the internet is a giant class of pre-teens and someone just handed them all something to throw.
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Date: 2013-09-23 09:55 pm (UTC)It could be worse. They could be monkeys. And you know what monkeys throw.
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Date: 2013-09-23 10:03 pm (UTC)Yes, but I also don't arm my kids with projectiles, tell them to fight to the death, and then wonder why they're throwing things! "There's only one passing grade available, and you all have to compete for it" wouldn't leave me much room to get mad at them for being too competitive, ya know?That was too harsh. I'm sorry. I also may have misinterpreted the statement - throwing things at each other (ie, competition) or at *you*? (different matter entirely.)Sure, it's frustrating when I've got X planned for class and the kids are hellbent on derailing and doing Y instead, but I think I'm just confused here because I have no idea what the issue even is. Did you intend for Exhibit B to not be competitive and now it is? Are people wanking it up behind the scenes and *that's* the frustrating part? Some combo thereof? Something else entirely? I'm legit not trying to wise off or fuck with you here, but this is like trying to solve some strange riddle, and though I can make numerous educated guesses, they're just that - guesses.
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Date: 2013-09-23 11:29 pm (UTC)We're NOT supposed to throw things at Gary?
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Date: 2013-09-24 12:17 am (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2013-09-23 11:56 pm (UTC)The original plan was to use the Project Runway "pairing people up" to do what they accomplished: People griped about it as first, but they ended up going in different directions than they would have done on their own and most of them came out grateful for the experience. People getting to know each other, making friends with people they may never have before and in general having a good time.
You know what they say about what happens to plans when they hit the battlefield though.
From my perspective, it seems like we never left the griping (or to use your word "wanking") stage, and it just shifted from one thing to another for several months, and things like having to throw out a poll here toward the end certainly didn't help matters... combine that with that the "making new friends" part didn't really seem to work either, with established groups just getting tighter. This mini season definitely shook out to be it's own thing, which is good - and I don't think anyone could fault the quality of writing.
Different people are going to have different "takes" on how things have felt to them. Maybe this is someone's all time favorite! This just happens to be mine.
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Date: 2013-09-24 12:17 am (UTC)And you can't make people be friends. People become friends organically, and it happens a lot easier if they're not under crazy pressure. (and if they're not wondering if that person is really who they say they are)
And, FWIW, I think friend-making did happen. Certainly friendship-strengthening did. Maybe it wasn't the friendships you were looking for, or maybe it wasn't as obvious as you expected.
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Date: 2013-09-24 12:20 am (UTC)Now, *everything that I do* that isn't involved with my new family is... which means that things that would have been "Man, what the hell" in Season 6 are "I want to tear off someone's head" now!
The life improvement means I have less tolerance for stuff that distracts me from it! :)
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Date: 2013-09-23 07:22 pm (UTC)Now I'm genuinely curious -- what were you expecting?
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Date: 2013-09-23 07:31 pm (UTC)At the end of Exhibit B I'm feeling, "One more season of this? Really?"
There is most definitely going to be a "rest period" before Season 9.
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Date: 2013-09-24 12:23 pm (UTC):D
Time and perspective can do wondrous things. In all honesty, I think you need that more than any of us do, and I mean that as a friend.
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Date: 2013-09-23 06:20 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-09-23 06:26 pm (UTC)At the request of many of the people who played A, I absolutely introduced more twists into B.
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Date: 2013-09-23 05:04 pm (UTC)So yeah, technically if you participate in Season 9 and this mini-season has been your only go-around, you will be at 0 weeks served as far as the "regular" LJ Idol is concerned. =P